A real cop took my advice – and it worked

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I’ve been contacted by a viewer who is a police officer in the USA.

His department practices methods like wrist locks and armbar takedowns, the kind of stuff I’ve talked about here quite a bit. My opinion is that these techniques are legitimate but they have a fringe use case, to the point that they are rarely seen in combat sports, and are certainly not a foundation from which to learn grappling. It’s the kind of thing I would teach as a low priority, as an option for very specific situations. And yet, for many years they’ve been at the core of police training for many academies around the world.

You might have heard it’s the hands that kill, and yes, it’s true, you need to control the hands, stop them from reaching for weapons and so on, yes. But if you don’t have overall positional control, and you just grab at the wrists and don’t do much else you might end up with control over nothing.

This police officer who contacted me, tells me that he attended a domestic violence situation where he had to arrest someone. He started by grabbing the wrist, and the offender quickly pulled away and punched the officer.

He said this:

In that moment I remembered your video critiquing police training. Further, I had a trainee with me who was about to experience their first use of force, so I was essentially on my own. I told myself I should control the person entirely before I try to control their appendages. With that I grabbed their body and hip tossed them to the ground. Once gaining control of them fully, which they understood as well, the arms were easier to manipulate and the arrest was successful.

I have no formal martial arts training. But just remembering that notion made the arrest much smoother, much faster, with less damage to me or the arrestee. Without having recently watched your content, I definitely would have tried to drag them to the ground with just their arm alone.

This officer did not receive any additional training or retraining to do this. All he did was reverse his priorities. Instead of working from the extremities to control the body, he established control of the body to work on the extremities.

In Brazilian Jiu Jitsu they talk about position before submission, but in a policing context it’s more like position before handcuffing. Cops can probably come up with a more snazzy, tactical sounding phrase, they’re good at that. But anyway it’s all essentially the same idea.

Of course, I’d prefer that police underwent training starting back at the academy where they would be wrestling each other and working toward restraining holds and handcuffing positions with experienced supervision for safety.

You really don’t need to sign up for the Gracie Combatives program or commit to something similar. We just need really basic skills and clear tactical objectives.

I’m starting to wonder if there is a way to develop a kind of broad open source template that people can adopt and run with on their own and use local expertise to plug in their own skills, instead of creating a by-the-numbers curriculum and trying to get contracts. I have no idea where to start with something like that.

Anyway, in this case, simply suggesting a different general approach lead to a better result, and it’s quite gratifying for me, to get a message like this. It reminds me of how I felt years ago when I was teaching martial arts, and a student would occasionally tell me that something I taught them helped in a real situation. This is the reason I started the channel in the first place.

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Eye gouges, groin strikes, bites, scratches, throat strikes, hair pulling: why “fighting dirty” is not enough in reality

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Groin strikes, eye gouges, and other “dirty” street fighting techniques are often overestimated in their effectiveness, and are not reliable substitutes for fundamental fighting skills.

The key issue with these techniques is that they rely on pain to influence behavior, rather than directly incapacitating or controlling an opponent. Real fighting scenarios (see videos) show that people can endure severe injuries, including serious maiming, and still continue to fight. This resilience is especially true when the stakes are high.

Gaining a controlling position increases the effectiveness of any technique, including those banned in sports. Without a dominant position, attempts at “dirty” tactics are more likely to fail.

Consideration must also be given to what happens when these tactics fail. In a fight, once a certain level of violence is introduced, it can be reciprocated, potentially leading to more severe consequences.

Real-life examples illustrate these points. Fighters have continued to compete even after sustaining significant injuries like broken limbs or blindness. The effectiveness of these tactics is unpredictable and can vary greatly depending on the situation and the individuals involved.

While “dirty” techniques can be part of a fighting strategy, they are not reliable or decisive. Effective fighting requires a combination of skills, including striking, grappling, and a strategic approach to positioning and control. Simply relying on pain-inducing tactics is insufficient for real combat scenarios.

Here we have a man arguing with police, and he throws a knee to the groin. You can see the officer’s hips move back as the energy from the strike transfers to his body. The officer responds with a punch which knocks the man unconscious. This is a stark illustration of the difference between doing something that simply hurts a lot, and something that takes away your capacity to fight completely.
A jeweller is stabbed and attempts to stop the attacker by using groin strikes and eye gouges, which have no effect. Neither man is able to clearly dominate the fight before the stabber eventually gives up and walks away.
This man entered an MMA gym and challenged them to a fight. When he gets caught in a guillotine choke, he attempts to eye gouge his opponent, who continues to choke the man unconscious.
In Japan 1995, 5’7 Yuki Nakai fought 6’5 Gerard Gordeau in an MMA bout. Gerard illegally eye gouged Yuki, which left him permanently blind in his right eye. Yuki continued to fight with one eye, and won by heel hook in the fourth round. He never let officials know that he’d been blinded.
Full fight where a man’s ear is bitten off, and the biter loses by submission when he is unable to escape from a bad position, demonstrating the importance of basic grappling skills no matter the rule set.
A man’s lower lip is bitten off in a street fight; however, by the end of the video he is keen to continue fighting, while it is the biter who walks away.
Man has his ear bitten off in a street fight and does not stop – by the end of the video he is in a dominant position and continues to fight without issue.
A man who is allegedly a pedophile according to onlookers, attempts to bite and eye gouge while underneath the mount of his opponent, which fails. His opponent – the man in a controlling position – eye gouges and blinds the other man, demonstrating the importance of positional control no matter what rules of lack thereof.
Two men are fighting on the ground, one has his eye gouged out – however, he continued to fight and at the end of the video, he is in a controlling position and is now gouging the eyes of the other man.
Multiple unanswered strikes to the groin which appear to have no effect
Source of video thumbnail – by MMA photographer Esther Lin
“After the fight, Werdum said the poke didn’t hurt or affect him – and even if it had hurt, he might have lied to the ringside physician and said he was fine out of concern the bout would be stopped. Werdum, who won a unanimous decision, says he thinks some fighters embellish the severity of a poke to get out of the fight and that offends him to some degree.”

https://www.espn.com.au/mma/story/_/id/27850706/danger-mma-problem-eye-pokes

The limits of pain compliance

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Pain compliance is quite literally the use of pain as a method to achieve compliance, and discourage resistance and aggressive behaviour. It’s an integral part of any police use of force continuum policies. However, its effectiveness varies greatly depending on the individual’s pain tolerance, mental state, and the intensity of the situation.

Individuals under the influence of drugs, experiencing a mental health crisis, or in a state of excited delirium might not respond as expected to pain compliance techniques. Adrenaline and other physiological factors can significantly diminish pain perception, leading to less effectiveness in gaining compliance and potentially escalating the situation to more extreme uses of force.

Pain compliance is not a substitute for physical control. It should not be seen as a primary strategy but rather a part of a broader set of tactics aimed at safely controlling and detaining individuals.

It’s crucial for law enforcement to have a clear objective when employing pain compliance and to be prepared to shift tactics if it’s not effective.

Continuous application of pain without gaining control can be perceived as excessive and lead to public scrutiny and distrust. In extreme cases, it can lead to serious injury and death, particularly when the subject is of poor health.

Training, skills, fitness and teamwork are the only answer.

The public’s perception of pain compliance is increasingly critical. With widespread access to information and a growing emphasis on police accountability, the use of force is under more scrutiny than ever. Law enforcement agencies need to ensure their personnel are well-trained in a variety of techniques, understand the implications of their actions, and are capable of making judicious decisions in the heat of the moment.

In conclusion, while pain compliance can be a part of law enforcement’s toolkit, it should be used judiciously and in conjunction with other tactics aimed at safely and efficiently resolving confrontations. Continuous training, public engagement, and a commitment to ethical practices are vital in maintaining public trust and ensuring the safety of both officers and those they serve.

How the ancients reduced violence and maintained public order in the first cities

The Epic of Gilgamesh is one of the oldest stories known.

Gilgamesh, the protagonist and king of Uruk, imparts only three pieces of advice to his city’s elders before embarking on an adventure to kill a monster. These guidelines, though succinct, encapsulate essential principles for societal stability.

I’m impressed at how relevant these points are today.

Law and Order: Gilgamesh cautions against youths gathering in the streets, hinting at the risk of increased crime and unrest, particularly among young men. Historical data supports this view, showing that young men are often both perpetrators and victims of crime. Addressing street-level crime and providing purpose and guidance to the youth are vital to prevent societal discord.

Impartial Legal System: Gilgamesh emphasizes fair judgment for the weak and poor, highlighting the need for an unbiased legal system. Impartiality in legal matters ensures faith in institutions and prevents people from seeking vigilante justice.

Preventing Exploitation and Inequality: The third advice speaks against allowing the strong and wealthy to exploit others. This principle is about addressing extreme inequality to prevent social unrest and potential revolutions.

Watch the video above for a more details analysis.

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Dutch security guard stops armed attack with strikes

At a supermarket in the Netherlands, a 34-year-old man was removed from the store by security for attempting to steal a bottle of alcohol. He returned and attacked guard with a broken bottle neck, resulting in injuries to both. The man was arrested and hospitalised overnight, so he obviously came out of the ordeal in far worse shape then the guard.

He faces charges of attempted manslaughter or serious assault and will appear in court on February 14 2024.

The actions of the guard were considered self-defense.

Dutch article covering the incident here.

Although not a knife, a piece of glass can cause serious or potentially fatal injuries. There’s certainly the risk of losing an eye, the way this man was attempting to slash at the guard.

The response of the guard demonstrates how effective distance management, footwork and striking can be against edged weapons. These are not the typical wrist-grabby techniques we often see taught by “self defense” instructors, but fundamental methods from empirically developed styles such as Muay Thai and wrestling.

This could easily have resulted in the guard suffering far more serious injuries had there been an inch or two of difference, and I have shared these scenarios on the site before.

My point here is NOT that learning a martial art will guarantee success, however:

  1. The chance of surviving an attack from someone armed with an edged weapon increases the greater the difference in skill/size/strength/etc.
  2. The methods we see working in reality are consistently the same fundamentals we observe in other fights, including combat sports.

Jewellery store robber stabbed by defender

An attempted robbery at a jewelry store in Chapadão do Sul, Mato Grosso do Sul, Brazil. The employees, including the owner’s daughter, fought back against the two armed robbers. One of the criminals was stabbed several times by the daughter during the struggle and was later hospitalized and arrested. The security camera footage played a crucial role in identifying the assailants, who along with an accomplice, faced charges for the armed robbery.

New York City fatal stabbing; victim displays agonal breathing

This man decides to stick around during a confrontation while a third party tries to separate them; when the distance is closed, he is stabbed by an unseen knife.

This is the reality of many knife attacks – if someone really wants to stab someone, it makes no sense to brandish the knife and make the victim aware it exists. If they have any common sense, they will simply draw the knife once the distance is closed.

In this case, a major blood vessel in the abdomen was struck, and the man lost consciousness a short time later. When police are seen arriving the victim displays agonal breathing, which is a sign he is very close to death.

Agonal respiration, gasping respiration or agonal breathing is a distinct abnormal pattern of breathing and brainstem reflex characterized by gasping, labored breathing, accompanied by strange vocalizations and myoclonus. Possible causes include cerebral ischemia, extreme hypoxia (inadequate oxygen supply to tissue), or even anoxia (total depletion of oxygen). Agonal breathing is an extremely serious medical sign requiring immediate medical attention, as the condition generally progresses to complete apnea and heralds death. The duration of agonal respiration can be as brief as two breaths or last up to several hours.